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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 29, 2007 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Oddly, since I have defended this release, finally having it leaves me less than satisfied. I hear a band that is slipping due to the loss of one of its legs (Hart) while trying to juggle a bunch of brand new tunes. The new tunes find Jerry and Bob searching not only for the words and the inflections, but for the sound as well. They sound tentative and underrehearsed. Greatest Story doesn't have the choruses yet.

But the older tunes are played wonderfully. Smokestack Lightning is so sublime it's ridiculous! Dead blues at its best.

With the Fillmore East box set to compare this to, 3 from the vault comes up lacking. Had they not already done a Spring 1971 box set, a compilation from this run would have done nicely.

My suspicion is that this was pulled in 1997 as being not yet ready for prime time and resurrected because Rhino was in desperate need to release something. The From the Vault series are all 16 track. Think about that: they recorded the spring of 1971 for Skullfuck, Europe '72 for same in 16 track. Then nothing 16 track until 1974 Winterland. In terms of 16 track, not much to chose from until Egypt 1978 and the 1980 Warfield/Radio City material. Then Without a Net.

Let's get back to the other ideas.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Jun 29, 2007 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

All I will say about this is YES Pig you are right the Smokestack is sublime. Its just an incredible version. For me it's difficult to find anything bad when Pigpen sings but this one is up there in the annals of alltime greats. That alone is worthy of purchase.

Comparing the SBD to store bought is noticeable and makes it worth the purchase. However and please correct me if I am wrong the money spent on this CD does line the pockets of undesirables....mostly that Debra Koons clown. Politics aside but after watching that youtube video of her creaming her pants over money that she is raking in off of our hero Jerry and knowing she had nothing to do with the making of the art makes me sick. I have nothing wrong with making money, its her attitude behind it that bothers me. I like to think Jerry's music made her happy but it appears all she sees is $ signs. Just my pathetic two pennies on buying anything from GDP this days! Still I bought it knowing the rest of the Dead family got some too.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Jun 29, 2007 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Ssag:
...you want any Jerry cd's? Let me know.

--- AshesRising (Jerri1031-dp3 AT yahoo DOT com)

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 29, 2007 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

"Those Betty boards were purchased at an auction from her storage facility, so ownership of same is a matter for legal debate. Theoretically, Betty owned the tape while the band holds the primary rights. Now that the tape has been circulated--big mess."

It wouldn't be the first time, that GDM used source material from private collections in our hands. Dick Latvala used already circulated recordings, to fix the patches and fill in missing songs from 2/13-14/70. He discussed doing it with David Gans on KPFA about the time that Picks 4 was released in the stores.

We have already seen just CM can do with his computer and it scratches the surface, of what can be done with professional equipment owned by the band...

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 29, 2007 11:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

thanks for pointing out the koons video on youtube, though it made me feel worse than I thought it would.

"I have nothing wrong with making money, its her attitude behind it that bothers me."

well said and I totally agree...

and to hear her talk about "this really interesting mix of art and commerce" just makes me want to puke...

I believe the only music that she is interested in is the sound of the cha-ching, cha-ching of cash registers.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Jun 30, 2007 12:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Yeah yeah man I think what got me the most was her saying:

"Cherry Garcia makes more money the music did"

OUCH!! And her giggle after....I cringed and puked at the same time.

Anyways thanks for the offer Ashesrising. I might just take you up on it. However I am really pathetic about doing it on my end. So I wouldn't feel comfortable trading because I am not good about sending tapes back. I do thank you though.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Jun 30, 2007 2:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Ssag:
Are you kiddin' me?? Trade??? ...no trading expected; none of that "B&P" stuff...all I ask is for some patience to burn the cd's and then some honest feedback as to whether I can improve the quality of the recordings. I've already burned you a few cd's since my post anyways -- I am catching-up on overdue promises so I just burned another copy for you of the ones I was doing anyways.
Just send an email to the Yahoo address and I'll get back to you with my real email address. I had never seen the video until you mentioned it - I did a search on YouTube and that line about the "ice cream and ties" was "beyond the pale" (in the opposite direction as to how Jerry used that term).

=== AshesRising (Jerri1031-dp3 AT yahoo DOT com)

Trade???? ...you got me laughin' in a hotel room at 5:30am -- that was perfect!


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Poster: Ssag Date: Jun 30, 2007 3:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

I hope that worked but I sent you an email.

Yeah pretty disgusting that Koons is. I see her dancing behind Jerry at shows at the Warfield around the earlier 90's. She would cover herself from the top of head to her feet in a white sheet and sway like a ghost or something. Very weird and creepy. Ahhh could have been the drugs

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 30, 2007 5:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Yoko Koonzo. Did you know they didn't even live together? My guess is that she took advantage of his junked out state and hoodwinked him into a marriage he didn't want. The lawsuit with Mountain Girl was disgusting. ANd not allowing M.G. to the funeral or the ashes-scattering ceremony is just plain evil.

Part of the sad ending to a strange life.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 30, 2007 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Banning Mountain Girl from the funeral event does seems in poor taste but Koons' video "The Future of Food" IS quite good. Maybe Jerry's money will still have positive impact.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 30, 2007 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Koons is another Smell A Hollywood type that turns me off. Why buy her goddamned ice cream? Jerry never ate it himself; because too much sugar wasn't good for his health. Somebody brought a carton of B&J's to the New Years show in 87 or 88 and passed it around back stage between sets. Garcia refused to join the party.

So I have two valid reasons to never buy that stuff...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 30, 2007 5:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Actually, Jer preferred Haagen Dazs!

For a while, he was living on Persian, ice cream and cigarettes...


http://www.pugbus.net/artman/publish/05107002_11_deadcrap.shtml


This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2007-07-01 00:16:54

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Poster: Ssag Date: Jun 30, 2007 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

LOL Yoko Koono I like it. Good one Pig. But I think thats an insult to Yoko. Say what we want but John loved Yoko. I can respect that do.

Yeah I knew about the MG lawsuit/banning and it just made me sick back then too. Weird enough this is a serious dilemma I go through when I buy anything GDP or store bought of theirs. She won the court battle against MG like you said so she has all the rights to stuff she was never really apart of. Somehow my pennies on a CD is trickling to her.

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Poster: sydthecat2 Date: Jun 29, 2007 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Ghost is right. Gotta say though, the Easy Wind is mighty fine. Wasn't the day before the show that should have come out?

I have said time and again that Vault releases should be entirely turned over to me but nobody listens. I am possibly the only person who could keep everyone happy. All Phil wants me to do is paint.

Seriously, more dialogue with us unwashed couldn't hurt. Always thought Latvala had nothing but contempt for us and look at the utter crap he released (nope won't tell ya---don't wanna fight). Only sheer bloody-mindedness prevents a pristine Cornell from coming out. Only spite gave us that MSG '83 release. But I have high hopes for Rhino---hope they have at least one person there who's got it all together.There have been sublime releases from that company.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Need it. Got it. Need it.

Sydout

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Poster: tjpd Date: Jun 29, 2007 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Always got the impression Latvala thought his words were gold.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 29, 2007 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Cornell is not in the Vault. Those Betty boards were purchased at an auction from her storage facility, so ownership of same is a matter for legal debate. Theoretically, Betty owned the tape while the band holds the primary rights. Now that the tape has been circulated--big mess.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jun 29, 2007 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

I keep hearing that Cornell is not in the vault, yet an HDCD version of Dancin' from that date is a bonus track on the remastered Terrapin, so clearly they have access to the tapes. ???

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 29, 2007 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three from the Vault

Cornell is not in the Vault.